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Acorn Arcade forums: News and features: BBC Jam suspended
 

BBC Jam suspended

Posted by Phil Mellor on 12:15, 14/3/2007 | , ,
 
BBC JamThe BBC's online education service, BBC Jam, is to be suspended after commercial online companies made complaints to the European Commission.

BBC Jam costs each licence fee contributor 14p per month, with the BBC pledging to invest 150m over five years.
 
Acting BBC Trust Chairman Chitra Bharucha said in a statement: "Despite a rigorous approval process involving the BBC Governors, the Department for Culture Media and Sport, and the European Commission resulting in extensive conditions on the service, BBC Jam has continued to attract complaints from the commercial sector about the parameters of its activities."

I find it ridiculous that the BBC is prevented from fulfulling its public service remit EDUCATING OUR NATION'S CHILDREN because it's deemed anti-competitive, yet it's perfectly OK for them to hand the TV-over-IP market to Microsoft.
 
  BBC Jam suspended
  ad (13:32 14/3/2007)
  Q (14:45 14/3/2007)
    monkeyson2 (14:51 14/3/2007)
    andrew (15:22 14/3/2007)
      monkeyson2 (15:25 14/3/2007)
        SimonC (17:13 14/3/2007)
      Q (19:33 14/3/2007)
        andrew (20:13 14/3/2007)
          monkeyson2 (20:22 14/3/2007)
            andrew (00:18 15/3/2007)
              richcheng (10:41 15/3/2007)
          andypoole (20:31 14/3/2007)
            monkeyson2 (20:39 14/3/2007)
          Q (14:47 15/3/2007)
            andrew (15:35 15/3/2007)
 
Andrew Duffell Message #99966, posted by ad at 13:32, 14/3/2007
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That's really silly.
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John Cartmell Message #99969, posted by Q at 14:45, 14/3/2007, in reply to message #99966
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Apparently the BBC's investment is seen by Europe as a state subsidy and a threat to commercial companies. Look forward to state schools being closed for exactly the same reason. At the very least expect taxes to soar just so that Bill Gates and Co get get enough cash from the education market to keep the commercial rats happy.

It's a great recruiting sergeant for the UKIP. :-(
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Phil Mellor Message #99970, posted by monkeyson2 at 14:51, 14/3/2007, in reply to message #99969
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How will the Daily Mail handle this? Waste of BBC licence fee prevented... by European bureaucracy! They must be happily jumping up and down whilst punching themselves in the stomach over this one.
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Andrew Message #99972, posted by andrew at 15:22, 14/3/2007, in reply to message #99969
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Apparently the BBC's investment is seen by Europe as a state subsidy and a threat to commercial companies. Look forward to state schools being closed for exactly the same reason. At the very least expect taxes to soar just so that Bill Gates and Co get get enough cash from the education market to keep the commercial rats happy.

It's a great recruiting sergeant for the UKIP. :-(
Part of UKIP's reasoning is the problem with this kind of statement:

"a rigorous approval process involving the BBC Governors, the Department for Culture Media and Sport, and the European Commission "

What kind of approval is that? It's the elected government but also the totally unelected, unaccountable government approving something.
The BBC is a massive subsidy and even if you don't pay the license then you pay by taxes for the World Service. However, most people accept this as on balance the positive contribution it gives or has given to the world as well as Britain. However this rankles with people who don't agree with the political bias that the BBC is often accused especially regarding news of and ironically has admitted itself wrt the EU.
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Phil Mellor Message #99973, posted by monkeyson2 at 15:25, 14/3/2007, in reply to message #99972
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However this rankles with people who don't agree with the political bias that the BBC is often accused especially regarding news of and ironically has admitted itself wrt the EU.
Reality has a well known liberal bias.
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Simon Challands Message #99977, posted by SimonC at 17:13, 14/3/2007, in reply to message #99973
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Right on, Commander!

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What's so bloody great about protecting commercial operators? What about what's best for everyone else? Sorry, I forgot, you always have to give way to the Great God Money.
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John Cartmell Message #99983, posted by Q at 19:33, 14/3/2007, in reply to message #99972
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I hadn't noticed any political bias in BBC Jam. The decision appears to be an instruction to Britain to give even more of the money that is identified as needed to educate our kids and hand it over to commercial companies in return for less than we get at the moment - essentially for free.
If you have been to BETT you will appreciate the obscene amounts that are already siphoned off the education budget by fatcats.
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Andrew Message #99985, posted by andrew at 20:13, 14/3/2007, in reply to message #99983
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If you could use my name John that would be good in future, thanks.

Nobody said Jam was biased, I don't know if it is either. The complaint was about competition. My own point is that this is the EU biting the hand that usually feeds it as it bites so much else. I think underlining the very nature of the EU is the fact that Monkeyson feels the need to lash out at the Daily Mail because nobody at the EU Commission is listening or has any incentive whatsoever to listen to any of us. It's reason for being is to interfere in national affairs and if invited will gladly do so and if not wanted will never, ever, ever listen because of this purpose.



[Edited by andrew at 20:17, 14/3/2007]
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Phil Mellor Message #99986, posted by monkeyson2 at 20:22, 14/3/2007, in reply to message #99985
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I think underlining the very nature of the EU is the fact that Monkeyson feels the need to lash out at the Daily Mail because nobody at the EU Commission is listening or has any incentive whatsoever to listen to any of us.
What? I mentioned the Daily Mail because they're against the BBC AND Europe, and wondered whether they'd take a positive or negative view of this story.
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Andrew Poole Message #99987, posted by andypoole at 20:31, 14/3/2007, in reply to message #99985

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If you could use my name John that would be good in future, thanks.
Perhaps you ought to put your name in your profile, then...
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Phil Mellor Message #99989, posted by monkeyson2 at 20:39, 14/3/2007, in reply to message #99987
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If you could use my name John that would be good in future, thanks.
Perhaps you ought to put your name in your profile, then...

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Andrew Message #99995, posted by andrew at 00:18, 15/3/2007, in reply to message #99986
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I think underlining the very nature of the EU is the fact that Monkeyson feels the need to lash out at the Daily Mail because nobody at the EU Commission is listening or has any incentive whatsoever to listen to any of us.
What? I mentioned the Daily Mail because they're against the BBC AND Europe, and wondered whether they'd take a positive or negative view of this story.
So nobody is wrong except for an external, totally unrelated body to the whole matter. For goodness' sake.
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richard cheng Message #99999, posted by richcheng at 10:41, 15/3/2007, in reply to message #99995

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I think underlining the very nature of the EU is the fact that Monkeyson feels the need to lash out at the Daily Mail because nobody at the EU Commission is listening or has any incentive whatsoever to listen to any of us.
What? I mentioned the Daily Mail because they're against the BBC AND Europe, and wondered whether they'd take a positive or negative view of this story.
So nobody is wrong except for an external, totally unrelated body to the whole matter. For goodness' sake.
What? He's not blaming the Daily Mail for the situation. He's wondering how they'll report it.
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John Cartmell Message #100062, posted by Q at 14:47, 15/3/2007, in reply to message #99985
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Andrew (ie the Handbag Boi Andrew):

Sorry about the name. I'm happy with either Q or John - whichever causes least confusion.
You used the argument about bias within the BBC which, in this case, is irrelevant even if true. Best keep to the core of the problem which is that, at very low cost to all of us, the BBC is producing superb material that can be used for the education of our kids - free at the point of use. That has been dumped because people wish to large sums of money off us, to put in their back pockets, as part of the arrangement we make to educate our kids. Some of those people are very (very, very) rich foreigners who can jump in to make much money out of very inferior products.
Forget about the BBC, EC, or whatever and concentrate on those complaining that they aren't given sufficient opportunity to steal from us.
Then go and give the EC a kick in the goolies for not telling them to stuff it and not fining them heavily for their presumption.
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Andrew Message #100066, posted by andrew at 15:35, 15/3/2007, in reply to message #100062
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The bias was referring to Monkeyson's Mail association.

Let's see how the case goes. My point is, if the EU wasn't allowed to have this power, the situation would either have not arose or would have been dealt with by a national method over which there would be more influence by the public it mainly affects.
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