Acorn Arcade (RSS 2.0 feed) http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/ Gaming news and views richard@--iconbar--.com en-gb (c) Acorn Arcade 2012. All rights reserved. Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:17:49 GMT Acorn Arcade: News 15 Acorn Arcade http://www.acornarcade.com/images/logos/rss-AA.gif http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/ Downgrading from RISC OS 3 to RISC OS 2 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11845&page=1#119554 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11845&page=1#119554 Then ask why I'm doing this! (The downgrading, not the praying. Well, actually, that too)
Posted by Gavin (SparkY)
5 comments in forum ]]> Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:34:17 GMT Downgrading from RISC OS 3 to RISC OS 2 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11845&page=1#119553 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11845&page=1#119553 Then pray!
Posted by Andrew Poole (andypoole)
5 comments in forum ]]> Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:41:27 GMT Downgrading from RISC OS 3 to RISC OS 2 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11845&page=1#119552 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11845&page=1#119552 Then CMOS Reset!
Posted by Michael Emerton (MEmerton)
5 comments in forum ]]> Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:24:36 GMT Downgrading from RISC OS 3 to RISC OS 2 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11845&page=1#119551 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11845&page=1#119551 Open the case, remove the RO3 ROMs, and insert the RO2 ROMs?
Posted by Jason Togneri (filecore)
5 comments in forum ]]> Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:22:36 GMT Who's getting a pi to configure as a Risc OS computer? http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11844&page=1#119550 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11844&page=1#119550 ...But does it run RISC OS? http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s548734
...But does it run RISC OS? tongue

Posted by Martin Bazley (swirlythingy)
20 comments in forum ]]> Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:27:37 GMT Who's getting a pi to configure as a Risc OS computer? http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11844&page=1#119549 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11844&page=1#119549 http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s548734 http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s548734

Posted by Adrian Lees (adrianl)
20 comments in forum ]]> Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:19:14 GMT Downgrading from RISC OS 3 to RISC OS 2 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11845&page=1#119548 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11845&page=1#119548 (Never mind - just found what I was looking for!)
smile

[Edited by krisa at 13:59, 4/2/2012]

Posted by Kris Adcock (krisa)
5 comments in forum ]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:57:25 GMT Who's getting a pi to configure as a Risc OS computer? http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11844&page=1#119547 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11844&page=1#119547 There is some information here on performance...
http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance

I'm guessing floating point isn't going to be great.

I personally don't see why the raspberry pi can't replace these other boards for Risc OS. I believe pi will evolve over time assuming the foundation keeps going and faster versions will be released.

From my own perspective I already have a few old PCs good enough for linux which although won't be as fast booting, stable or so easy to reset/restart are in fact much more powerful.

I only really want a pi for Risc OS and XBMC. I suppose I might also want it for an android destop environment.

Posted by Martin Wilson (bonzobanana)
20 comments in forum ]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:50:05 GMT Who's getting a pi to configure as a Risc OS computer? http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11844&page=1#119546 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11844&page=1#119546 Even if new software did appear, I don't think I'd be interested enough in it to bother getting the more expensive hardware. I moved on from using RISC OS daily a long time ago. For me, RISC OS isn't something I'm willing to spend lots of money on any more. 30 quid for a Raspberry Pi? Sure. 120 quid (or more) for a beagleboard(-based box)? Nah.
I agree with this post. For me it is a simple numbers game.


For me it's simpler still;

At 30 quid it is something I don't have to worry if I decided not to use it. It's the price of good day out or 2/3 a tank of petrol.

That's how I see it, too. For 30 quid, it's worth a punt. At that price, it doesn't matter if it gets broken. It's a reasonable price for something to play around and have some fun with.

I've likely got most of the "accessories" needed to get it running (I've got keyboards, mice, USB hubs, HDMI cables, SD cards, etc), so I can't imagine I'll need to pay any more than the cost of the board itself.

At 120 quid it's something that had better be useful, this has entered the stage where I really don't want to just leave it on a shelf.

At 600 quid it has to be of significant continued use, and it had better offer a hell of a lot more for a 480 quid increase.


I did look at getting a beagleboard to play with, but decided there's better things I can get for the 120 quid. I didn't have a particular use for it, and so couldn't justify the money.

Given that, 600 quid for an ARMini was just out of the question. (And even if I did have a use for it, I'd probably have bought the board and get the rest cheaply online, since I can't really justify 600 quid for what's essentially a dev board in a box).

As such, I'll be getting an R-Pi with Linux on, although I will happily have a play with RISC OS once it's available.


This. I've got a couple of ideas of small projects I could use a Raspberry Pi with, but mostly for me it'll be more about playing around. I'll probably run RISC OS on it at some point, but the majority of the tinkering I'll do with it will be in Linux.

As for the potential new software on RISC OS that'll only make use of the more expensive hardware ... this is RISC OS land, the chances of new software are mostly bugger all.


Even if new software did appear, I don't think I'd be interested enough in it to bother getting the more expensive hardware. I moved on from using RISC OS daily a long time ago. For me, RISC OS isn't something I'm willing to spend lots of money on any more. 30 quid for a Raspberry Pi? Sure. 120 quid (or more) for a beagleboard(-based box)? Nah.

Posted by Andrew Poole (andypoole)
20 comments in forum ]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:42:50 GMT Who's getting a pi to configure as a Risc OS computer? http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11844&page=1#119545 http://www.acornarcade.com/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11844&page=1#119545 If there's ever a demoscene on RO again, that may be another reason why someone would want a more powerful machine than the RPi. The RPI's GPU isn't (and may never be) accessible under RO. As for myself, I'll be getting a Raspberry Pi, but I don't intend to use it for a RISC OS machine other than the odd bit of fiddling and novelty. It'll spend most of its life running Linux.
Raspbmc sounds like one good reason to get one. As you say, the option to run RO on it will probably be a novelty to most.
It's intended to be an development board (with an emphasis on education).

Before this one gets confused too, it's emphasis is on Computer Science education, not as a general tool to support schools/home users in all subjects.

Experimenting with programming languages (including BBC BASIC) and graphics seems to be the general idea. Any means of running old educational software will be a bonus but there is more polished software available under alternative OSes and even Flash games on the CBeebies website.

Who programmed and/or developed such BBC/RO educational software in the past? Mainly ex-teachers? What will such people gravitate towards (for the home market) in the immediate future? Probably iOS and Android, where there are large installed user bases and well established simple ways to distribute/charge for applications. It seems highly unlikely that developers/publishers of educational software would target either Linux or RISC OS unless they offer something significant which mobile platforms don't, e.g. the schools market... except, of course, that's currently welded to x86 and Windows. Then again, if Windows on ARM is successful, why would developers bother with platforms other than that? Perhaps becoming a school governor and warning against not being locked in to Windows for any future school ARM purchases would be worthwhile.
For general desktop tasks the Pi will be OK, but if you were planning on watching videos or playing new game ports under RISC OS I think you'd be much better off going with something more powerful.

If there's ever a demoscene on RO again, that may be another reason why someone would want a more powerful machine than the RPi. The RPI's GPU isn't (and may never be) accessible under RO. But aren't such demos unlikely to surpass the performance of the RPi's GPU? Unless it's somehow preferable to code for VFP/NEON under RO than for the RPI's GPU under Linux, it doesn't sound particularly attractive.

Does anyone think that an open source release of Zarch would help (assuming David Braben is willing and has the rights to do so)?

Having said all that, I can see the attraction in purchasing a more polished non-hobbyist product such as the ARMini, and it's a great way to support current software development. Some "returners" may experiment with RO on the RPi and then possibly "upgrade" in the future to a more mature product.

Posted by Trevor Johnson (trevj)
20 comments in forum ]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:17:49 GMT