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  Not with a bang but a whimper, RISCOS Ltd
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Paul Vernon Message #122007, posted by PaulV at 14:02, 8/3/2013, in reply to message #122006
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Did he say why?
He said:

Sorry to have to ask, but can you please remove the archives that mirror content from any/all of the riscos.com web domains asap.

Now that I have taken over riscos.com there is no danger of any of the resources being lost. Should you wish to mirror parts of the riscos.com site once it's been re-designed please ask me first.
It's a perfectly reasonable request and in response to my confirmation of compliance, he's assured me that he has full backups of the foundation site too so hopefully things will be available again at some point even if not in their current form.

The only reason I mirrored the sites in the first place was because I've know for a long while that they were "in danger". If you recall, acorn.riscos.com went offline for a few weeks on a couple of occasions in 2011 (http://www.iconbar.co.uk/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11776).

After that I periodically mirrored the sites in anticipation of them disappearing completely.

Please keep the data, even if it's not online.
big grin

Paul
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Martin Bazley Message #122069, posted by swirlythingy at 15:55, 18/3/2013, in reply to message #122007

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Idly browsing the site, I just found this:

http://www.riscos.com/news/news_items/PR271107.htm

I'm guessing it didn't quite work out like that?
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Jeffrey Lee Message #122071, posted by Phlamethrower at 16:12, 18/3/2013, in reply to message #122069
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Idly browsing the site, I just found this:

http://www.riscos.com/news/news_items/PR271107.htm

I'm guessing it didn't quite work out like that?
In fairness they (ROL) did at least publish a bunch of RISC OS 4/Select PRM documentation on their site, which has been a useful reference for people extending ROOL's OS. As for step two of the master plan, I think it all got a bit stuck around here since nobody took charge of the situation and fleshed out/implemented the spec.
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Graham Thurlwell Message #122073, posted by Jades at 23:31, 18/3/2013, in reply to message #122071
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One thing which, so far, appears to have not been pointed out is that ROL did not request more money when Select subsciptions became due. Father and I had wondered why we hadn't had a reminder, now we know why.
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VinceH Message #122074, posted by VincceH at 09:09, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122073
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Nobody's pointed it out before because the only people who knew this were ROL, and the subscribers - and you were the only subscribers. tongue
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Peter Howkins Message #122076, posted by flibble at 10:46, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122005
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I've been asked by Aaron to remove my mirrors of the RISCOS.com sites that I had so now they're no longer available.
Probably just an oversight but support.riscos.com is still down, and the files linked from http://acorn.riscos.com/acornftp.htm are missing.

Maybe you should put the mirrors back up so Aaron can snaffle the missing files big grin
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Aaron Timbrell Message #122077, posted by Aaron at 12:50, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122076
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I've got all the files from the entire riscos.com website. I've even got copies of every version of the site back to 1999.

However the site is a shambles and needs a major re-design. Which will take me some time.

The old Acorn ftp files are still present and haven't been moved or changed. However for some reason, that I haven't had time to examine, the behaviour seems to have changed. Each link took the user into a folder, which had a .zip file and a readme file, but no index.html file. What used to happen was the browser would display the contents of the relevent folder in an ftp style.

For example 'http://www.acorn.riscos.com/riscos/releases/UniBoot/' doesn't work. However the direct link to the file 'http://www.acorn.riscos.com/riscos/releases/UniBoot/uniboot.zip' does work.

Once the site re-design has been completed everything will be better laid out and much easier to use, but it's going to take some time. I hope to start uploading parts of the new version next week.
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Rob Kendrick Message #122078, posted by nunfetishist at 13:17, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122077
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Is there much need for a site? I'm assuming no significant further development is going to happen. It strikes me as a way to pay for and download ROM images either for softloading or emulation would be pretty basic: the rest can just be shoved in directory called "archive" with a suitable health warning smile
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VinceH Message #122079, posted by VincceH at 13:23, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122077
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The old Acorn ftp files are still present and haven't been moved or changed. However for some reason, that I haven't had time to examine, the behaviour seems to have changed. Each link took the user into a folder, which had a .zip file and a readme file, but no index.html file. What used to happen was the browser would display the contents of the relevent folder in an ftp style.
Although you say nothing's been moved or changed, did you move the site to a different host/server than the one ROL were using? (That's what I assume happened, because the site vanished briefly).

If so, it may very well be that you now have the site on a server with different permissions for folders. How you change this depends on the server/your host, and the facilities they provide you.
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Michael Drake Message #122080, posted by tlsa at 13:24, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122077

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Once the site re-design has been completed everything will be better laid out and much easier to use, but it's going to take some time. I hope to start uploading parts of the new version next week.
Will this move things around? Taking UniBoot as an example, there are absolutely loads of third party links that will be broken if the resource is moved.
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Paul Vernon Message #122084, posted by PaulV at 14:30, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122076
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I've been asked by Aaron to remove my mirrors of the RISCOS.com sites that I had so now they're no longer available.
Probably just an oversight but support.riscos.com is still down, and the files linked from http://acorn.riscos.com/acornftp.htm are missing.

Maybe you should put the mirrors back up so Aaron can snaffle the missing files big grin
I've been asked to remove them and I'm complying with that for now... However....

http://www.drobe.co.uk/archives/index.php

wink

Paul
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David Holden Message #122086, posted by apdl at 15:55, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122084
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I've been asked to remove them and I'm complying with that for now... However....

http://www.drobe.co.uk/archives/index.php

wink

Paul
....... doesn't seem to work either.

Probably for the same reasons, namely the links were really only correct for FTP and caused problems for some browsers.
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Peter Howkins Message #122087, posted by flibble at 16:15, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122077
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The old Acorn ftp files are still present and haven't been moved or changed. However for some reason, that I haven't had time to examine, the behaviour seems to have changed. Each link took the user into a folder, which had a .zip file and a readme file, but no index.html file. What used to happen was the browser would display the contents of the relevent folder in an ftp style.

For example 'http://www.acorn.riscos.com/riscos/releases/UniBoot/' doesn't work. However the direct link to the file 'http://www.acorn.riscos.com/riscos/releases/UniBoot/uniboot.zip' does work.
Ah, that's down to changes in your http server config, on the old one it was using an option called 'Indexes' which automatically creates a directory list if an index.html (or other defined index files) wasn't there.

It seems your still using Apache, so need to add the 'Options Indexes' line into <virtualhost> section for acorn.riscos.com.

Pester me further if you need more info.

Edits: I can't spell


[Edited by flibble at 16:16, 19/3/2013]
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Andrew Poole Message #122088, posted by andypoole at 16:17, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122087
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The old Acorn ftp files are still present and haven't been moved or changed. However for some reason, that I haven't had time to examine, the behaviour seems to have changed. Each link took the user into a folder, which had a .zip file and a readme file, but no index.html file. What used to happen was the browser would display the contents of the relevent folder in an ftp style.

For example 'http://www.acorn.riscos.com/riscos/releases/UniBoot/' doesn't work. However the direct link to the file 'http://www.acorn.riscos.com/riscos/releases/UniBoot/uniboot.zip' does work.
Ah, that's down to changes in your http server config, on the old one it was using an option called 'Indexes' which automatically creates a directory list if an index.html (or other defined index files) wasn't there.

It seems your still using Apache, so need to add the 'Options Indexes' line into <virtualhost> section for acorn.riscos.com.

Pester me further if you need more info.
Or you could stick that in a .htaccess file in the root, if your server is configured to let you use .htaccess files. Either way should work.
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Michael Drake Message #122089, posted by tlsa at 16:18, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122086

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....... doesn't seem to work either.
Works for me, e.g.
http://www.drobe.co.uk/archives/index.php?directory=/acorn.riscos.com/riscos/releases/UniBoot/
has all the old files.
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Peter Howkins Message #122372, posted by flibble at 23:05, 8/5/2013, in reply to message #121837
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So that is it for ROL.

The 14th is next Tuesday when the supplement to the London Gazette will print the notice of the dissolution.
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David Heath Message #122373, posted by HeathHayle at 08:36, 9/5/2013, in reply to message #122372
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So that is it for ROL.
That depends what you mean lol cos Aaron from Virtual Acorn has taken it over

[Edited by HeathHayle at 09:42, 9/5/2013]
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VinceH Message #122374, posted by VincceH at 09:46, 9/5/2013, in reply to message #122373
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So that is it for ROL.
That depends what you mean lol cos Aaron from Virtual Acorn has taken it over
What he means is what he said: Note the 'L' on the end of the abbreviation - that's it for ROL: the company is no more. It's taken a permanent leave of absence, and if it were a parrot I'd be pointing out that the only reason it was standing on its perch is because it'd been nailed there.

What Aaron has taken over is ROL's version of RISC OS, the website, etc - but the company itself no longer exists.



[Edited by VincceH at 10:47, 9/5/2013]
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David Heath Message #122375, posted by HeathHayle at 11:48, 9/5/2013, in reply to message #122374
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RiscOS the operating system is still going its a shame it's not with Paul Middleton but now it's only like when Paul took over the operating system from Acorn but now Aaron's doing it roll on RiscOS 6.50 or 7 YAY!!! I am still supporting the non-open source version of RiscOS

[Edited by HeathHayle at 12:49, 9/5/2013]
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keith dunlop Message #122376, posted by epistaxsis at 14:54, 9/5/2013, in reply to message #122375
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You are mad.
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Rob Kendrick Message #122377, posted by nunfetishist at 15:08, 9/5/2013, in reply to message #122376
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You are mad.
Was there doubt?
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Jason Togneri Message #122378, posted by filecore at 16:00, 9/5/2013, in reply to message #122375

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RiscOS the operating system is still going its a shame it's not with Paul Middleton but now it's only like when Paul took over the operating system from Acorn but now Aaron's doing it roll on RiscOS 6.50 or 7 YAY!!!
I was going to join in the conversation but I'm still desperately trying to parse this sentence. Some punctuation wouldn't go amiss.
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David Heath Message #122379, posted by HeathHayle at 19:45, 10/5/2013, in reply to message #122378
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RiscOS the operating system is still going, its a shame it's not with Paul Middleton. It's only like when Paul took over the operating system from Acorn. Now Aaron's doing it roll on RiscOS 6.50 or 7 YAY!!!
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Jason Togneri Message #122380, posted by filecore at 20:22, 10/5/2013, in reply to message #122379

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RiscOS the operating system is still going, its a shame it's not with Paul Middleton. It's only like when Paul took over the operating system from Acorn. Now Aaron's doing it roll on RiscOS 6.50 or 7 YAY!!!
Really? I was leaning more towards:

RISC OS, the operating system, is still going. It's a shame it's not with Paul Middleton, but now it's only like when Paul took over the operating system from Acorn, except now Aaron's doing it. Roll on RISC OS 6.50 or 7. Yay!

It's that central clause that is unclear, see. It could also be interpreted as:

RISC OS, the operating system, is still going. It's a shame it's not with Paul Middleton, but now it's only like when Paul took over the operating system from Acorn. But now Aaron's doing it - roll on RISC OS 6.50 or 7. Yay!
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Peter Howkins Message #122384, posted by flibble at 09:29, 14/5/2013, in reply to message #122372
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The 14th is next Tuesday when the supplement to the London Gazette will print the notice of the dissolution.
London Gazette Supplement

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/824134/supplements/1218

"** FINAL GAZETTE NOTICES *
COMPANIES ACT 2006
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, PURSUANT TO SECTION 1000(5) OF THE COMPANIES ACT 2006, THAT THE NAMES OF THE UNDERMENTIONED
COMPANIES HAVE BEEN STRUCK OFF THE REGISTER. SUCH COMPANIES ARE ACCORDINGLY DISSOLVED AS FROM THE DATE OF PUBLICATION
OF THIS NOTICE.
THE FIRST NOTICE OF INTENDED DISSOLUTION OF THESE COMPANIES WAS PUBLISHED AT LEAST 98 DAYS AGO. "

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/824134/supplements/1255

RISCOS LIMITED 03694488 14/05/2013
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Simon Willcocks Message #122385, posted by Stoppers at 14:03, 14/5/2013, in reply to message #122384
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"** FINAL GAZETTE NOTICES *
COMPANIES ACT 2006
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, PURSUANT TO SECTION 1000(5) OF THE COMPANIES ACT 2006, THAT THE NAMES OF THE UNDERMENTIONED
COMPANIES HAVE BEEN STRUCK OFF THE REGISTER. SUCH COMPANIES ARE ACCORDINGLY DISSOLVED AS FROM THE DATE OF PUBLICATION
OF THIS NOTICE.

RISCOS LIMITED 03694488 14/05/2013
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